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CONLANG  August 1999, Week 3

CONLANG August 1999, Week 3

Subject:

conjunction disjunction (re: going without "without"

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:35:07 -0400

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In Bitruscan a minimalist language of the sort
I've toyed with the idea of having "with" reflected
into a conjunction... that is the ever-present "and"
so that "caui" ("ca" that/what + "ui" and)
and "naui" ("na" no / "nan" nothing + "ui" and)
serve to express the companionship of an object
to it's owner... lessee...

UMAN  IN  TABIRNA  CA  UI  BURSU IN  UA
A man walks into a bar with a bear
"man in bar that and bear in is going"

UMAN  CA  UI  BURSU  IN  TABIRNA IN  UA
A man with a bear walks into a bar
"man that and bear in bar in is going"

UI  UMAN  BURSU  CA  IN  TABIRNA IN  UA
A bear with a man walks into a bar
"and man bear that in bar in is going"

UMAN  NA  UI  BURSU  IC  TABIRNA IC  UA
A man walks out of a bar without a bear
"man no and bear out bar out is going"

TABIRNIRU NA UI TABIRNA CA UI BURSU IC UA
A barman comes out without a bar which has a bear
"barman no and bar that and bear out is going"

Hmmm... wise barman! Too bad for the bar.
Since,
Jay B.


----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Pearson <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:42 PM
Subject: going without "without"


>I have a problem, and I'm wondering if anyone can offer a
>good solution.  As some of you who've been on this list for a while
>may recall, I've been on a long-term crusade to eliminate all
>prepositions from Tokana, and replace them with other strategies for
>expressing relational concepts (such as oblique cases).  The last
>preposition to be eliminated - it fought long and hard, but I finally
>vanquished it - was the preposition "kun", meaning "with".  The
>functions of this preposition have now been taken over by two of the
>oblique cases, the instrumental and the comitative (the latter is a
>new addition to the language).  The instrumental is used to indicate
>tools and other instruments which actually perform the action named
>by the verb.
> [...]
>Anybody know how such languages express "without"?  How do
>people express "without" in their conlangs?  Any help with
>this sticky issue would be much appreciated.
>
>Matt.
>

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