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CONLANG August 1999, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Future Spanish

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:23:11 -0500

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Pablo, your idea for a future Spanish conlang sounds neat. Are you
Andalusian, by chance? ;)

----- Original Message -----
From: FFlores <[log in to unmask]>
To: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: Future Spanish


Seeing so much of Brithenig these days made me want to
recatch on an old ambition of mine: developing a language
from Spanish. I'm still sketching things, but the first
stage of phonetical change is quite settled by now. My
problem is orthography.

I have some IPA questions:

What symbol do you use for a velar approximant?
How would you render it in ASCII, and how would you *if*
you had to use only one symbol?

<<<
That looks like an upside-down small m with a tail hanging down on the
right. I don't see a SAMPA symbol for it, but X-SAMPA
(http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/x-sampa.htm) uses M\.
>>>

What can I do with a labialized alveolar flap /r_w/?
Does that even exist or am I making it up? I intend it
to derive from [Br].

<<<
Not sure about this.
>>>

What do you call a fricative version of palatalized /d/?
I mean, Spanish has /d/, which becomes [D] in most places;
Future Spanish would have a palatalized allophone, [d_j];
what would that become? (It'd probably be alveolar, not
dental anymore...)

<<<
The voiced alveolar fricative is /z/; the post-alveolar is /Z/ (ezh/yogh)=
;
and the palatal is /j\/ (j with a loop).
>>>

And now a technical question:

Spanish has _vos am=E1s_ /boh a'mah/ 'you love'.
FS will have (so far) _bo am=E1s_ /bo ha'mah/.

Is that really a change? The pronoun is *not* clitic. I think
_bo tem=E9s_ will be /bo te'meh/. Is that initial /h/ in /ha'mah/
a mutation, liaison, or what? (I think it'll also appear after
the word for _nosotros_.)

<<<
It sounds like the /h/ is carried over from the /h/ < /s/ in /boh/ < vos.=
 In
the terminology of Brithenig, this would be a spirant mutation (of course=
 in
Brithenig tem=E9s would become them=E9s).
>>>

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