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CONLANG  September 1999, Week 2

CONLANG September 1999, Week 2

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Re: (LONG) Sketch by a novice, please criticize/help/flame/etc

From:

Nik Taylor <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:59:45 -0400

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Paul Bennett wrote:
>          Orthographic      ASCII-IPA
>          Front Mid  Back   Fr  Md  Bk
> Plosive  p     k    t      p   k   t
> Aspirate ph    kh   th     p_h k_h t_h
> Nasal    m     n    ng     m   n   N
> Sibilant s     s'   c      s   S   tS
> Liquid   w     r    y      w   *   j

Interesting.  However, why is /n/ classified in the same group as /k/,
and /N/ with /t/?  Is that a typo?

> Open     i     e    a      i   e   a
> Closed   u     e"   o      V   @   O

Cool, I use =EB for schwa in Common Kass=ED (the ancestor of Watakass=ED =
and
Eastern)

Somewhat unusual phonology, tho.  V and @ are very similar sounds, and
since there's only 6 (excluding length), it seems unreasonable to make
such a narrow distinction.  {u} would, IMHO, best represent /u/.  Of
course, then it would be *almost* Common Kass=ED vowel system (with the
exception that CK used /o/ rather than /O/) :-)  It's not very common
(altho it does occur) to have a pair like /e/ and /O/, that is, more
normal would be /e/ and /o/, or /E/ and /O/, but, then again, there's no
rule that it has to be "normal"!  :-)

By the way, you can find ASCII-IPA at
http://www.cs.brown.edu/~dpb/ascii-ipa.html, most of us use the SAMPA
system, more or less

> The sound s' appears to possibly have allophones in /S/ and /ts/,
> although this is possibly an archaism.

Little nitpick: allophones go in brackets, that is, [S].  [S] and [ts]
are unusual allophones for one phoneme.  [ts] would be more likely an
allophone of /tS/

> ng n-hook

Do you mean the same symbol as in IPA?

>          NS   NP      VI      VC       LX
> Minimal  su   susnge" sungse" sunguse" su(nge")
> Reduced  ame  arme    amre    amare    ame(r)
> Regular  taki tatki   takti   takati   taki
> Extended moru motru   mortu   morotu   moru(t)

What do "minimal", "reduced", "regular", and "extended" mean?

> Locationals
>=20
> -a-   Near
> -o-   Far
> -e"-  Obscure
> -u-   Apparent
> -e-   Probable/Beleived
> -i-   Improbable/Disbelieved

How are the last four related to location?

> >Evidential
> khu  - definately true
> khe" - seemingly/probably/partly true
> ye"  - indeterminate truth/falsehood
> the" - seemingly/probably/partly false
> thu  - definately false

Groovy.  However, evidential usually contains something like "sensory"
or "visual", "cognitave" (using reason), and the like - that is,
indicating *how* you came to the knowledge.

--=20
"If all Printers were determin'd not to print any thing till they were
sure it would offend no body, there would be very little printed" -
Benjamin Franklin
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http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Books.html
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