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CONLANG  November 1999, Week 1

CONLANG November 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Quenya phrase

From:

Daniel Andreasson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:44:51 +0100

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Nellardo wrote:

> > Then what's wrong about putting 'nai' at the front?
> > It sounds a lot better to me.
=20
> It's a question of which we want to emphasize: the wish or the
> language? As this is a shirt on conlangs, I'd suggest the
> language. Further, the "wish" concept is fairly buried in the
> idiomatic English original: Your language goes here.

Ok then. It's just that not putting 'nai' at the front sounds
unfamiliar to my leaf-shaped ears, but I see your point.=20

> "Here" doesn't need an antecedent - it means "the area around me, the
> speaker" (but can be narrowed with some sort of subordinate phrase or
> clause). While words like "I" and "you" are usually called pronouns,
> they don't have the problem specific to pronouns and no other parts of
> speech - pronouns need something else to establish what they really
> mean. "That" can stand for any noun, even an entire clause. "It" works
> the same way. "Here" does not have this problem.

Well, I thought that was what you meant. I just didn't know
why you wrote it.

> By this logic, Ro'men wouldn't be declined either - notice the "men"
> at the end - I don't have the refs in front of me, but I'd be willing
> to bet it is the same stem. So presence of "men" does not by itself
> indicate an implicit locative *case* (note the distinction - the
> locative case is used for indicating location - it is not itself the
> way you make something *into* a location).

Yes, but Roomen is a noun (or proper noun).=20
I've always thought that 'here' is an adverb, which is used=20
as a space adverbial (or whatever the English term is).=20
Maybe I'm too much into Swedish grammar.

> No - this was mostly me being sloppy and annoyed at the whole
> "sinome/sinomesse" question - I know, I should just relax.

Well, the whole sinome(sse) thing is getting kinda ridiculous=20
by now. :)
=20
> > Why 'vala' and not 'vilya'? And why 'hyarmen' in the beginning?
=20
> hyarmen is another stupid mistake - should be malta, of course. In
> Quenya, vala is "v", while "vilya" is known as "wilya" and used for
> "w".

D'oh on me too.
=20
> > > Again, I suggest sinomesse, which adds:
> > > esse (again, may be nuquema) e

> > We'll see about that... :)
=20
> Yes :-)

Ok. You tell me that 'sinome' isn't an adverb and if it
really is a pronoun, then you can have your '-esse'. :)
=20
> Just to see if I can start something else:-) consider:
>=20
> "Brookshire" (that's me)
>=20
> Brook - Q nelle
>=20
> Shire - land - Q ardo (no word for "shire" :-)
>=20
> Drop the last e in nelle to form the compound "nellardo".

Mmm... Nellardo. That's nice.=20
'Daniel' means 'God is my judge'. Try and make a nice
Quenya name out of that and you can have the phrase
'Brook Conner rules!' on the t-shirt as well. ;)

/ Daniel Andreasson

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