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AUXLANG November 1999, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Pirro's Universal (was Jen via lingvo )

From:

"Leo J. Moser" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:32:55 PST

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On         Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:56:52 -0800, Donald J. HARLOW wrote:
 
Je 7 nov 99, je 13:05, Via Acadon skribis:
>=20
> > On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:37:37 -0500, Jay Bowks wrote:
> >
> > > Donald J. HARLOW <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >In Esperanto, in case nobody else has sent it in: "Jen via lingvo".
>=20
> > > >Esperanto was the earliest language constructed to be an
international
> > auxiliary language.
> >
> > Did someone really intend to say this?
> >
> > Are there those who so believe?
> >
> _Somebody_ did, but -- despite the triple attributor -- it wasn't me.
 
That is one reason that I asked, I couldn't believe
that it was you. And it couldn't be Jay, either.
 
I've been off AUXLANG for a long time, but amnesia
did not develop, I was sure, in the interim.
=20
> Believe it or not, there are people who think that, if for some reason
> it didn't get into the history book they read, it couldn't have
> happened. There are plenty of people out there who have heard of
> Esperanto but not (e.g.) Volapu"k; so Esperanto was obviously the
> "earliest". In fact, I'll give you odds that many people believe
> Esperanto is the "only".
 
And many before Volapuk, though none accrued a following.
Unless you count Solresol.
 
A major proposal was Pirro's "Universal" fully documented
in several languages and published in and about 1868. This
was a project not unlike the a-posteriori projects of 1920
or so. Some consider it better than Esperanto; but that's
hard to say IMO. It had an umlaut =FC, and used Greek sigma
for the 'sh' sound; but otherwise it seems a bit more like
Esperanto than like Interlingua or Occidental. The published
vocabulary had 7000 words, origins were about the same mix
as Esperanto as far as I can see: mostly Latinate, with a=20
good deal of German (dog was hund) and English (I was I).=20
Published in Paris.
 
> I've also heard news reporters on TV say with a straight face that
> John Glenn was the first man in orbit -- as though Yuri Gagarin and
> Gherman Titov never even lived.
> -- Don HARLOW
 
Makes one wonder about the historical record!
 
Also errors get inserted. For example, Pirro's project=20
got tagged with the name of the book that he published=20
on in in German: "Universal Sprache." That was NOT the
name of the language at all -- and using it gives the=20
impression that it was a pastiche of languages crudely=20
put together. It was not.=20
 
"Sprache" was not even in the language, the word for=20
language was 'glot' -- not very beautiful IMO.
 
Best regards,
 
Leo J. Moser
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