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AUXLANG  November 1999, Week 2

AUXLANG November 1999, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Interlingua - Asian

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:14:49 -0500

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Leo Moser wrote:
 
> Actually, I was hoping that someone who knew about the history
> of Interlingua would be able to cite some work where Gode
> presented some such "alternative Interlinguas" and talked
> about them. If no citation exists, I'd wonder where Pei got
> this, and tend to assume it was his own; yet it seems rather
> specific a thing just to invent and put in the mouth of someone
> else.
 
Gode and Pei were friends, at least in the years when Gode
was helping edit Floyd Hardin's International Language Review
(which Pei contributed to, though he may have been on the masthead
as I suggested in an earlier posting). So the "intercontinental"
sample could have been something that Gode put together just
to illustrate his point to Pei.
 
Of course there have been many several Interlinguas.
Many of us are familiar with the various models that the IALA circulated in 1945-48, ranging from Model N (even more Latinate and
"etymological" than Gode's 1951 Interlingua) to Model E (semi-
schematic like Occidental), with Mrs. Morris's pet project
Model K (fully schematic, like Ido) as an outlier. The
1951 Grammar actually specifies a variant interlingua, which
is usually ascribed to Hugh E. Blair, who translated
what as far as I know is the only published sample. It's
slightly more Romantic and slightly more Occidental-like than
Gode's version.
 
Es bastante remarcabile que il (Blair) non jamais ha scripte
altere textos in iste bel dialecto, con su ortografia simplificat.
 
Il es assatis remarcabile que ille (Blair) nunquam ha scribite
altere textos in iste belle dialecto, con su orthographia simplificate.
 
Gode made the point various times that his Interlingua was
only one implementation of the latent pan-European that
Whorf called Standard Average European. It would ludicrous,
he said, to assert that -va necessarily forms the SAE past
tense, or that the SAE reflex of Latin -us, -um is necessarily
-o. But he thought that IALA's version was a pretty good
attempt. (This is from reading the International Language
Review - I hope to post some excerpts here later.)
 
Getting back to alternative Interlinguas, Gode acknowledged
that they were possible. For example, by narrowing the
source languages to the Romance group, you would get a
very Romance version, with grammatical gender etc. It would
be a legitimate representation of the reality underlying the
Romance languages. But he felt a pan-European basis better
captured his idea of the SAE, which was essentially neo-Latin,
not Romance. A couple of people (Adolf Fritzsch, for one)
floated "romantic" interlinguas, but they were basically
one-man shows.
 
Es amusante e non multo dificile crear una interlingua
panromanica. Ma dubito si una tala invention ha alcuna
aplication in lo mundo real. Suponeo que alcunos romanofonos
lo preferarean a la version "simplificata".
 
He also recognised that Occidental and other IALs were a
form of SAE, that is, Interlingua.
 
Stefan Bakonyi, who became a prominent IALA-Interlinguist in the
1950s and 60s (after doing the usual "tour of the systems"),
developed an interesting, somewhat idiosyncratic interlingua,
which you can see in his "Civilisation e Lingua International"
on the Bakonyi Foundation website
(http://bakonyi.8m.com/libro/index.htm).
 
Most variation in IALA-Ia today is limited to the choice
of Latin or Romanceoid function words, with the Romance side
gradually gaining the upper hand. (Many people use a mix, but
hardly anyone writes as Latinate an Interlingua as Gode did.)
Stan Mulaik, of course, has been working on a set of
function words objectively derived from the modern Romance
languages - so far these haven't caught on.
 
Getting back to Gode, the interesting thing to me about
his semi-tolerance of alternative Interlinguas is the way
it connects to his view on SAE. The era of systems, he said,
was over; now the question was how to communicate using the
international vocabulary as it was. He particularly
interested in the spontaneous interlinguas that participants
at various multilingual conferences would develop.
 
"Si un tal gruppo includeva etiam un sol parlator de interlingua, il esseva observate repetitemente que le altere participantes in le conversation poteva prestemente modificar lor lingua materne secundo le modello de interlingua usque a un puncto ubi le gruppo integre poteva comprender les sin difficultate."
 
"If such a group included even a single Interlingua speaker,
it was repeatedly observed that the other participants
in the conversation could quickly modify their native language
after the model of interlingua to the point where the entire
group could understand them without difficulty."
 
Today, we're familiar with a slightly different version
of this, Europanto.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris

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