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AUXLANG  November 1999, Week 2

AUXLANG November 1999, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Interlingua - Asian

From:

Jeffrey Henning <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:24:27 -0500

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Leo J. Moser <[log in to unmask]> comunu:
 
> Good to hear. Only in the most marginal way would I
> support such an approach. For example, knowing Chinese
> to be underrepresented, I might give the benefit of
> the doubt to using a Chinese form that seemed appropriate
> and available.
 
For this reason I chose Chinese for the pronoun system for Dublex.
Originally I used 'wo', 'ni' and 'ta', but over time this evolved (to be
more useful for compounds) into 'won', 'nin' and 'tan'.  The 'nin' form is a
polite form of 'ni' that actually exists in Mandarin;  the other two forms
don't, but the -n- was applied on analogy.  Later I changed the phonology to
eliminate the glides /y/ and /w/ (many speakers of other natlangs have
difficulty distinguishing between /v/ and /w/), so the form is 'von', 'nin'
and 'tan' now -- less useful.  However, /w/ is allowed as an allophone of
/v/, so it can be pronounced /won/.  (In fact, in the prestige dialect of
Dublex, /v/ or /w/ is used depending on the etymlogy of the word!)
 
I also used the pronouns for "this", "that" and "that other one" -- 'veon'
(from *voon), 'noin', and 'toin', with the -o- infix marking abstraction.
(Think of it as "this one by me", "that one by you", "that other one by
them").
 
 
>My position is that the Loglan-like "a-posteriori"
>approach to vocabulary building is not the best way to
>create a system for maximum worldwide familiarity.
>In fact, IMO, it leads to something "semi-a-priori" --
>more a-priori than a-posteriori actually.
 
Remember, though, that they were looking for mnemonicity more than
familiarity. I just think for mnemonicity they could have used a different
algorithm.  But hindsight is 20-20.
 
>These kinds of problems are not ones of opinion or
>individual taste -- they are objective errors.
>Sorry not to be as polite as your native-speaker
>informants, but you really should know.
 
While I'm not a native speaker of any language but English, I can comment
that Ivan D. on another list identified many problems with the Russian and
Chinese forms of the Lojban etymological database.  This came up as I
proposed word forms for Dublex derived from Lojban.
 
Thanks, Lojbab, for all your hard work on this reference!  I really value it
and Dublex would not exist without it.  I tried manually looking up some
words for each language for concepts not in the gismu list, but it was so
tedious and time consuming that I sound abandoned it.
 
Best regards,
 
Jeffrey Henning
http://www.LangMaker.com/ - Invent Your Own Language
http://www.Jeffrey.Henning.com/ - Santa Paravia & Fiumaccio for Windows
 
"If Microsoft is not recording monopoly profits, who is? If software were
really all that competitive, Microsoft would not reap profits 8 times that
of the rest of industry."  -- Tom Steinert-Threlkeld, Editor-in-Chief of
Interactive Week, 2/1/99

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