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AUXLANG  November 1999, Week 5

AUXLANG November 1999, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Reasons to learn planlingvoj?

From:

Kjell Rehnström <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:40:04 +0100

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It is often said that languages of the Interlingua or Occidental type are=
 
biassed, becaus they are built on Western langauges. There are two answer=
s
that that one: 1. You have to start somewhere, and both the fathers of
Interlingua of IALA and Occidental were speakers of western languages. =
 
 
The proverbial Swede or Finn or Russian will be subjected to English in o=
ur
time. Before English it was German or French that many, if not all people=
, =
 
learnt. =
 
 
I for one learned Esperanto before English, when I was at school, because=
 I
thought that the idea of an international language that everyone and all =
had
to learn sounded good. Why should some people have some sort of discount?=
 I
later on skipped Esperanto for Interlingua which I have had more use of. =
I
have nothing against Occidental, in fact I am trying to learn it, to be a=
ble
to make my own judgement about it. =
 
 
The argument in favor of an at sight language is of course that you can m=
ake
people interested in what is communicated in the language and don't have =
to be
very eloquent in speaking about the language itself. =
 
 
With languages like interlingua and occidental you don't have to be so
introvert as with Esperanto. You can also use them - to a significant ext=
ent -
even outside the movment itself to a much higher degree than with Esperan=
to. =
 
 
I wellcome the revitalisation of Occidental. This will give competition t=
o
Interlingua and it will benefit both languages. =
 
 
That I can read a French, Italian or Spanish newspaper does certainly not=
 mean
that I can speak these languages or that I can write independently in the=
m.
The trouble with national languages used as international ones is that a
person like me have all the native speakers' habits against me, if you se=
e
what I mean. =
 
 
There is a lot of foreign words from Latin and Greek in all European
languages. All constructors of international auxiliary languages, from
Esperanto to Interlingua, Volap=FCk to Occidental have borrowed from that=
 
dictionary: Redaktion, redigieren, scientolog, informaatio, informera,
Demonstrazion, demonstrant, demokraatti, diktor, audycja, gymnastique mod=
=E8rne,
influenza, off pist skiing, sviter, erigerad fallossymbol etc. etc. etc.
 
The various constructors of languages have treated this vocabulary in
different ways. =
 
 
In our days English is tought everywhere. Every one has to learn English.=
 But
who are spokesmen for the NGO's? Native English Speakers. The exceptions =
are
there to verify the rule. =
 
 
So, everyone who has to contact the outside world will probalby mostly le=
arn
English. We will all benefit from a second language for all that need one=
=2E =
 
 
But back to the at sight langauges. Let's make the thought experiment. Yo=
u
want to teach a group of people Volap=FCk so that you can communicate wit=
h them.
Do you have a teacher, books, can your future communicandee learn Volap=FC=
k? Can
you? =
 
 
Or take Esperanto. How often have I not seen this. People registre to som=
e of
the few courses that are offered. If 25 per cent of the student manage to=
 
learn Esperanto, this is fantastic. And this is a liberal extimate. The b=
etter
schooling there is in a country, the better Esperanto people might learn,=
 but
of the 25 % fair esperantists, some 5 will be good, and then we are speak=
ing
about some 15 people when the groupe started. =
 
 
The at sight languages will attract those who can learn them swiftly. I c=
annot
convince a Chinese to learn Interlingua. Another Chinese can do that, pro=
vided
he/she has the necessary language background (with knowledge in some west=
ern
languages). This person will make the Interlingua manual for the Chinese
speakers. This is not my job. =
 
 
Interlingua or Occidental will have the benefit for those who embarc on
studying them that they will as it were explain the international vocabul=
ary
to them. Esperanto doesn't do that, it mutilates it. =
 
 
It is my job to learn to use interlingua and to inform those who speak Sw=
edish
about the benefits of Interlingua. I will not convince anyone in this lis=
t,
and that is not my intention. I just want to inform and to explain. Then
others will take their own decisions, according to their interests and ca=
pacities.
 
There is a stale atmosphere in this list as but a small number of partici=
pants
write in their own language. It would be much more fun if there were writ=
ers
from different langauges, using their preferred international langauges a=
s
much as possible - as I have been doing. =
 
 
So summing up. The best international language is the one that as many as=
 
possible can read or understand when hearing, because it builds on vocabu=
lary
that they already know. And the more common vocabulary, the better! =
 
 
It is not the eloquence that spreads a language but what is communicated =
in
it. =
 
And you don't have to bother by trying to find those that will be able to=
 
learn your language. The most important are those who can learn it and th=
en
pass it on.

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