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AUXLANG  December 1999, Week 1

AUXLANG December 1999, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Same difficultness (?) for all (was: Language or Dialect?)

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:52:57 -0500

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> Roland Hoensch - 1999.11.30 14.34 ART:
> > Solutions?  We already them.  I personally lean toward Esperanto,
> > but Interlingua is somewhat more Elegant.  The former for everyday
> > communication, the latter for scientific and literary purposes.
> > Two international languages would ensure that all educated people
> > will also be well-spoken.
>
> But these languages still give some ethnic groups unfair advantages. I
> (spanish speaker) can understand interlingua posts with little problem. And
> Esperanto, although it is uninteligible without learning, once you learn the
> affixes, prepositions, particles, etc., still has a great degree of
> recognizability in its roots for a romance speaker.
>
> I don't think changing the privileged group from English to Romance or the
> whole Europe and America is a solution for the issue (may be I didn't
> understand the issue ;). But Interlingua is as eurocentric as Occidental.
> Esperanto is a bit "fairer", because (no scientific support for the
> following affirmation, only speculation) if you happen to recognize the
> roots, then the grammar, affix system, accusative endings, adverbial abuse,
> etc., is sufficiently alien to you to force you to learn them; and if you
> have it easy with them then you will have to learn the meaning of every root
> with a dictionary.
>
> It still gives Euroamericans an advantage, but they still have to learn it,
> although they have it easier.
>
> I think Lojban is equally difficult for anybody... but it is veeery
> difficult! I think (again: may be very wrong here! only speculating) the
> unsuitability of Lojban as a IAL resides in that it doesn't provide you a
> way to codify your thoughts, it forces you to think differently. While that
> is not inherently wrong, I think that restrains it for becoming widely
> accepted. Again: very difficult.
>
> So: what's the ideal IAL, the one that doesn't permit some people to correct
> others because "I know better. Hey! It's based in my own language!" and is
> still relatively easy to learn for the average world citizen?
>
> ---
> Note: "America" and its derivatives referring to the continent.
 
I think most supporters of the highly biassed languages believe,
as I do, that a biassed IAL is *launchable*, while the
theoretically more perfect non-biassed (or less biassed) IALs
are not launchable. (Esperanto, in this view, shows how far a
semi-biassed IAL can go: a long way, but still far short of
the finish line.) I think you know most of the arguments
why and why not. Some of these supporters (especially
Interlingua-ists) would add that the bias in the language
naturally limits the uses that different people are going to
have for it - and this is just a fact of life, like Italy
being shaped like a boot. They'd rather have an IAL that
plays a modest but real role as (say) a pan-European lingua
franca, than a would-be universal IAL that remains a dream.
 
Now, of course, it's up to the supporters of these so-called
Euroclones to prove that they are in fact launchable. That
means committing to one of them and actually using/promoting it.
My own view is that, while I don't actually *know* that
Interlingua is launchable [Note 1], I think it's worth a try.
 
[Note 1] If I were clarivoyant, I'd use my riches to *buy*
Interlingua's success, starting with Auxlang: 1 million
dollars to every Auxlang poster who agrees to promote
Interlingua, intensely and exclusively, for a 10-year period.
2 million to Don Harlow, in view of the mental distress this
may cause.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris Burd

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