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>>> "Anthony M. Miles" <[log in to unmask]> 06/13 3:31  >>>
>
>Once I saw an example of a natlang (forgot the name) that
>has two phonologies: women say [r@k@rk@n] where
>men say [c@k@cc@n] or the other way round.
>That inspired me for a conlang where men pronounce
>the /s/ as [r]. Also, /pp/ is pronounced by men as [p'] and by
>women as [ph].
>
>Rob
>(de-lurking for a little while)

What is its name? Does [r]< [z], an allphone of /s/?
I have the Cambridge Language Surveys' _The languages of Australia_ by Dixon
here with me. The  Lardil tribe of Mornington Island speak Lardil, but until
'recently' also spoke a secret language called Damin. Damin possessed four
nasalized clicks, an ingressive lateral fricative, a glottalized velar stop,
an ejective bilabial stop, a fourth vowel, and used length as a
non-contrastive feature. None of these appear in Lardil. Lardil has nineteen
pronouns and several demonstratives; Damin has a dinstinction between 'ego'
and 'other', lacking even first, second, and third person pronouns. The
grammatical structure, however, is identical to Lardil.

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Don't forget to mention that the Lardil ingressive lateral fricative is a
*pulmonic* one!

I have forgotten the name of the natlang with this s/r feature. It is Asian or
Caucasian.
My conlang has no name yet. I'm experimenting very much with the
project Nine as Dan Wier has proposed: make a lang with max. 9 phonemes.
I try to make more sounds by allowing a lot of allophones. And then I thought
of this s/r thing.
So, untill I have sorted out what sounds I want, I start with the rest.
Maybe I never get that far, I like the juggling with the sounds so much
already.

Rob