At 9:48 pm +0100 27/6/00, Dan Jones wrote:
>> But if one of Carasta's religions is Christianity of an early Catholic
>> kind, I fear we have an anachronism here.  The prayer as given above was
>> not known in early Catholicism; it did not become standardized until the
>> Council of Trent in the 16th century.
>Fair enough. I haven't really thought too hard about Caedhan Christianity.
>All I know is that it is early, and was bought to Caedha by some Croats who
>happened to slip through the dimensions. Ave Maria was, to be honest, simply
>the only Catholic text I could remember

Well the opening bit - Ave, gratia plena, Dominus tecum! Benedicta tu in
mulieribus - was used in ancient liturgies of both Eastern & Western
Churches, so they'd certainly be there in Caedhan Christianity.  If. like
their counterparts *here*, the Caedhan started using this separately as an
invocation to Mary, it is more than likely they too would've added the
second half of Luke 1:42 and, at least, the name 'Maria', thus:
Ave, Maria, gratia plena; Dominus tecum! Benedicta tu in mulieribus et
benedictus fructus ventris tui.

Of course, that still leaves it as an invocation, rather than a prayer, so
it'd be likely that something would be added afterwards asking for Mary's
prayers.  But it'd be a mighty co-incidence if it was the same as that
adopted at the Council of Trent.  I think the Caedhan version of the 'Hail
Mary' calls for a bit of con-praying (must be a better word!) as well as
conlanging  :)


A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
                   [J.G. Hamann 1760]