[log in to unmask] writes: >Right. But that's exactly what I'm talking about: English speaking >people >using English, which happen to have words that have been borrowed, and >assimilated into English. Your comment sounded in this context like you >were disparaging other English speakers' speech simply because they don't >pronounce e.g. <rodeo> as [rodeo] but as [roudiou]. Sorry i wasnt clear as to what I was speaking about. I'm not patient in a language class when people should have learned pronunciation. But day to day, i excuse it because well, theyre not speaking a foreign language then. For instance, my uncles from Kansas came here and said "San Jose" as "san josie". It amused me, but I let it pass, because normally when i'm not trying to speak Spanish, i dont even say the names as they would in Spanish (to me, i feel like i'm being pretentious). . _____________________________________ "Courtesy is the KY Jelly of social intercourse"