>From: Carlos Thompson <[log in to unmask]> >Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:28:14 -0500 > >Aydam Wawker wabbe: > > Consonants in IPA (pseudo-SAMPA): > > Dental Alveolar Retro PostA.Palatal Velar Uvular > > t[` t` s` t.` S` c` k` q` > > t[_j t_j t._j c_j k_j q_j > > ts t.s. tC t.C. tS t.S. ts\ cs\ ks kx qx qX > > > > tl t.l. kl_w cs[ cC ks\ kS qs\ qS > >I'm not sure which are the point of articulations, and I understood >SAMPA used ` as retroflex mark... Well, what are ` representing? > Oops! Sorry. I've corrected that above! > > Okay, I said pseudo-SAMPA 'cause I don't know how to properly >represent the > > sounds in the bottommost row. The <tl> is the lateral stop. The ><t.l.> is a > > retroflexed or backed version of same. The <kl_w> is a velar >lateral stop. > > The <cs[> is an affricate formed of [c] and a very dental "s" sound. > > > > Vowels (same IPA standard applies): > > > > i 1 > > I @\ > > E @ > > > > I thought about including [e], but I'm unsure of the symbol for the >central > > vowel at the same hight. I also thought of including the vowel >between [i] > > and [I] with its corresponding central vowel, but I'm unsure if > > representations for said are even possible. > >Well, the central tense vowel at the height of [e] is IPA mirrowed e, >[@\] in SAMPA if I remember correctly. The central tense vowel at the >height of [E] is IPA mirrowed epsylon,  in SAMPA. Acording to the >chart, the schwa is a lax vowel between [@\] and . > > > Now comes the NASTY part -- orthography. What am I gonna do with >THIS > > mess!? *relishing his quagmireous quandry* > > > > I have considered the following: > > > > t d x c k q > > tj dj xj cj kj qj > > ts tsr ds dsr tz tzr tc cc kc kh qh qx > > (s sr z zr h hr tc cc kc kh qh qx) alternative to the above > > > > tl tlr kl css cs kss ks qss qs > > > > But I would appreciate any alternative schemes anyone would like to >suggest! > > > > Vowel orthography: > > > > i u > > y o > > e a > > > > I don't especially like having <y> represent [I] and I really hate ><u> for > >  and <o> for [@\]. > > > > Sugjeschuns?? > > i ?> e ?> a ?> or something like that? > > Well, could also be > i ?> ?e > ??> >but there are to many diacritics. Drat. All letters with diacritics come out as ? or Chinese characters on this machine! Wish they had more fonts loaded on this thing. Adam > > > Adam _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.