>On 7 Feb, Steg wrote: > > >b. don't remember... i think i just make non-language noises... what do > >you mean by crying in a language? > >Well, there is a type of "tearful speech" (for want of a better term) >where you talk while you are extremely upset or distraught. >(Such as grieving, extreme sorrow, agony etc.) >The idea is that extreme emotion cancels out anything except >the most basic behaviors and you would use your most basic lang. > But since you mention "non-language noises", it is well known >that cries of pain, what it seems only common sense to think of as >non-linguistic or pre-linguistic "noises", are actually language specific >and pretty basic. American English speakers say "ouch" >or "ow" (= /au/, not /ou/). People who speak other langs might say, >under similar conditions, /ai/, /oi/, or some other sound. > But this "basicness" is not completely true: I have spoken Hebrew >long enough that I have internalized its conventions pretty well, >including the "pain sound". Thus, if I am in a Hebrew frame of mind >and I get hurt, I will automatically say /ai/. But if I am in an English >frame of mind, I will revert to my "first lang" ,American English, and >say /au/ or /autS/. > ObConlang: do any conlangs have sounds that people in pain make? > I have to admit that I haven't put anything like that into rtemmu yet. > >Dan Sulani I read somewhere that people have two levels of this kind of noises. When they're not too badly in pain/wrecked with grief/etc they use conventionalized interjections like English /autS/, Swedish /aj/ etc. When they're in extreme pain or similar they'll howl inarticulate vocalic sounds (like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!") that are the same in all language groups (tho' there's unsystematic individual variation of course). Andreas _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.