Ray Brown wrote: > Yes, I never got on much with Martial; and it's not Catullus scurrilous > verses that I think it's worth learning Latin for; I can read much the same > in modern urban graffiti. > > It's his lyrical poetry that I like, e.g. > Lugete, o Veneres Cupidinesque.... > > Paeninsularum, Sirmio, insularumque.... > > Phasellus ille quem uidetis, hospites.... > > and many more. > > And the poem at his brother's grave - Multas per gentes et multa per > aequora uectus - is IMO both finely written and very moving. > My favorite carmina are basically the 63 (Attis) for its mystic/epic overtones and some of the epigrmmata (68-116): odi et amo (quare id faciam fortasse requiris. nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.); the Latin translation of some Greek classics: the Coma Berenicis (66?), or the great 'Ille mi par esse deo videtur' (51), a translation of Sappho's Ode 31 LP. I don't particularly like the nugae, and I believe Cicero was right when he said she was nothing more than a whore (well, he's not so direct, but a good chapter of the pro Milone is based on the description of her and her brother's 'morigeratio'). Some of the scurrilous thing are funny (Egnatius defricatus orina!), as the last of the carmina docta (the paraklausithyron), but that's not the kind of poetry I like very much. Luca P.S: am reading Baudelaire. Great!