The subject of taking fish out of the water is very perplexing to me. As I
see it, there are 4  ways it is done. Some are better than others.
1. Large Volume Commercial Fishing - There are just not enough controls on
this. This wholesale slaughter of wild animals is seriously depleting the
ocean wildlife. No wild land animal is hunted in this high volume way. Sure,
fishing is a hard life, but the seas are not our stockyards. Also, the
amount of "trash" fish killed and thrown back is staggering. I don't know
what to do. I feel for the fishermen ( even the dynamiters) and I feel for
the fish. So much is made about protecting dolphins from tuna fishers and
turtles from shrimpers. What about the poor Tuna and shrimp? I do eat fish,
but I avoid the ones that are in danger of being eliminated like Swordfish,
Orange Ruffy and the like. Ever since a Grouper hugged me at Cayman Brac, I
have not been able to eat one.
2. Fish Capture - I probably could stand this if it were not for the high
percentage of fish that never make it to the aquarium. Less than 2% survive,
I understand. Also, seeing how barren certain parts of Hawaii are from
over-capture, I see that the fish taken for this are the same ones we dive
to visit.
3. Line sport fishermen. My problem with this is the cruel treatment fish
receive being hauled in by rod and reel. How would you like to have a steel
spike driven through your cheek, and be pulled the length of a football
field on your belly by that spike? Or even worse, you might have that spike
stuck in your throat. Then when you reach the goal line, the spike is ripped
out and you are held underwater to drown. Or if you are lucky, the spike is
wrenched out and you can go play some more on the playground until someone
else spikes you again. That would simulate the fish's experience being
4. Spear fishing. I think this most closely simulates our sport hunting on
land. Done right, it is the most humane and least damaging fishing we do.
Karla seems to be doing it right. I hate to see it happening, but when I
compare it with other methods, at least it is the better of the evils.

I will never be a vegetarian. I am not so naive as to think all the meat I
eat comes from animals that wanted to die. But, fish are my friends and I
hate to see them go.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Strike" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: Spearing

> On Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:19 PM, Karla Clinch wrote:
> > <<  (I'm also not suggesting that you kill for sport
> >  or pleasure - I hope you're not, anyway? >>
> > Actually I do.  However, let me clarify that.
> G'Day, Karla!  It's not that I'm trying to change your view on things -
> it is the only (scuba related) game in town at the moment!  :-)
> > I also put to use everything that I kill.  I or my animals eat it.
> I don't have any objections with that. :-)
> > Way back when, when I made alot less money than I do now, that is how I
> ate
> > in the winter time, was hunting.
> Hunting for food is good.  To my way of thinking it gives folk a greater
> appreciation of the value of life than simply going to a supermarket,
> plastic-wrapped fillets of meat and then adopting a "holier-than-thou"
> attitude towards those who are prepared to kill in order to survive.
> > I started hunting as soon as I was tall enough to keep the shotgun from
> > dragging the ground.
> Mud in the barrel is not a good thing!  But a good bolt-action rifle puts
> more skill in to the hunting than a shotgun.  :-)
> > The biggest think that my dad taught me, was if you can't clean it and
> > it, don't kill it.  Hunting, fishing or whatever.
> Good - and wise - advice
> > I am genuinely amazed at the number of people who will eat it, but won't
> kill
> > it.  You would if you had no choice.  Or you would starve.
> I agree with you.  :-)
> > Ok, I am getting off on a tangent, I didn't plan to do that.
> I've been known to go off on a tangent every now and then.  :-)
> > Anyway, yes, I enjoy the hunt.  Yes, I enjoy the kill.  Yes, I eat
> everything
> > I kill, or I don't kill it.
> Now that's where we differ.  I've never *enjoyed* the kill.  I've
> it as sometimes being necessary and I've congratulated myself when it's
> a clean, quick - and painless - kill.  But I've never taken pleasure, (or
> enjoyment), from it.
> > You have no clue the number of hogfish, triggers, and groupers I have
> smacked
> > in the butt lately, cause they weren't big enough for me to shoot---they
> were
> > legal, just not big enough for me to shoot.
> I admire you for discriminating against what you kill.  (Mind you - as Ray
> will attest - I have my own particular feelings about Triggerfish! >BWG>)
> It's just that - to me - scuba and spearfishing are mutually exclusive
> and, (once again, for me), lack that sporting element.  I do regard
> free-diving as the only way to hunt in the water.  :-)
> It also seems to me that hunting AND diving - particularly when deep
> (regardless of what gas mixture is being used) - don't sit well together.
> (It's also the sort of thing that - assuming that you intend to teach
> to dive? -  doesn't reflect well on the image that many Training Agencies
> are now trying to portray of being environmentally
> responsible.organisations.)
> In so many regions of Asia - and not too far from our doorstep here in
Oz -
> people justify using dynamite in order to catch the food that they need to
> sustain themselves and their families.  It's hard to argue against their
> need.  But if it's allowed to continue there won't be any sustainable fish
> stocks.  And that's how I regard spearfishing while using scuba.  At
> when free-diving, the kill ratio is reduced.  :-)
> Strike