On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:03:40 -0400 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> writes: > > Well, I'm not reading it in Latin. In fact, I have a cheap > Dover edition > >(cost me two bucks! How about that?), so I make no apology for the > >translation I used (from the Latin). I just liked the lines, > whether true > to > >the text or not. And of course, I think everyone should've known > this had > >nothing to do with judeo-christianity since I said it was from the > Aeneid. > >Just the book before he goes down to the Elysian Fields to talk to > his father > >who fortells the (now) history of Rome. > We should take the translator (not you) to task for introducing the > word, > and so the concept of, "Hell", which was, clearly, not in the > original. > Even if the original had had "infernus" 'the nether regions???' (is > that > idea Roman, or a later Xn invention?) or some such-- those of us who > "had > trouble with Hell" were, after all, in the right. > Ah well: traduttore, tradittore. - And, of course, we should all remember that the Christian idea of "Hell" doesn't really have much to do with Judaism at all... But back to conlanging, While i was reading through lots of Ardalambion articles on Proto-Elven, Quenya, and Telerin, i decided that at least once in my life i should probably create a well-developed family of languages, with specific Grand Master Plans and roots in their ancestral tongue. So i came up with the phonemes for the "Proto-" ancestor of the languages, combining some ideas of other random conlangynesses that were floating around my mind: voiced stops: b d g nasals: m n N prenasalized voiced stops: mb nd Ng doubly-articulated voiceless stops: pt tk kp voiceless stops: p t k voiceless fricatives: f s x trills: rr liquids: l r short vowels: a e i o u long vowels: a: e: i: o: u: Does it seem possible that the first two doubly-articulated stops would exist? I remember seeing /kp/ and it's voiced counterpart /gb/ in African languages, but i've never heard of /pt/ and /tk/. I can pronounce them easily enough... That's all i have now, although i really like the Tolkienic name _Kinn-lai_ (a development of the word Quendi in an undescribed Avarin language), so i may 'borrow' it as Kin-La:i, or maybe Kpin-La:i, for the name of the people who spoke this proto-language. -Stephen (Steg) "hey, it runs doesn't it?"