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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:03:40 -0400 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> >    Well, I'm not reading it in Latin.  In fact, I have a cheap
> Dover edition
> >(cost me two bucks!  How about that?), so I make no apology for the
> >translation I used (from the Latin).  I just liked the lines,
> whether true
> to
> >the text or not.  And of course, I think everyone should've known
> this had
> >nothing to do with judeo-christianity since I said it was from the
> Aeneid.
> >Just the book before he goes down to the Elysian Fields to talk to
> his father
> >who fortells the (now) history of Rome.

> We should take the translator (not you) to task for introducing the
> word,
> and so the concept of, "Hell", which was, clearly, not in the
> original.
> Even if the original had had "infernus" 'the nether regions???' (is
> that
> idea Roman, or a later Xn invention?) or some such-- those of us who
> "had
> trouble with Hell" were, after all, in the right.
> Ah well:  traduttore, tradittore.
-

And, of course, we should all remember that the Christian idea of "Hell"
doesn't really have much to do with Judaism at all...

But back to conlanging,
While i was reading through lots of Ardalambion articles on Proto-Elven,
Quenya, and Telerin, i decided that at least once in my life i should
probably create a well-developed family of languages, with specific Grand
Master Plans and roots in their ancestral tongue.
So i came up with the phonemes for the "Proto-" ancestor of the
languages, combining some ideas of other random conlangynesses that were
floating around my mind:

voiced stops:     b d g
nasals:     m n N
prenasalized voiced stops:     mb nd Ng
doubly-articulated voiceless stops:     pt tk kp
voiceless stops:     p t k
voiceless fricatives:     f s x
trills:     rr
liquids:     l r
short vowels:     a e i o u
long vowels:     a: e: i: o: u:

Does it seem possible that the first two doubly-articulated stops would
exist?  I remember seeing /kp/ and it's voiced counterpart /gb/ in
African languages, but i've never heard of /pt/ and /tk/.  I can
pronounce them easily enough...

That's all i have now, although i really like the Tolkienic name
_Kinn-lai_ (a development of the word Quendi in an undescribed Avarin
language), so i may 'borrow' it as Kin-La:i, or maybe Kpin-La:i, for the
name of the people who spoke this proto-language.


-Stephen (Steg)
 "hey, it runs doesn't it?"