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At 20:42 2001-08-12 +0000, Lars Henrik Mathiesen wrote:
> > Date:         Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:45:32 +0200
> > From: BP Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Swedish has final geminates and they simply are longer, or have a longer
> > closure phase if they are stops.  It should be noted that Swedish
> > ante-pausal stops are usually released, unlike what is mostly the case in
> > English.
>
>Are these final geminates analysed as phonemic? IIRC, there's a rule
>in Swedish and Norwegian that short vowels have to be followed by a
>cluster or a geminate --- or is it that vowels are always long before
>a single ungeminated consonant?
>
>Lars Mathiesen (U of Copenhagen CS Dep) <[log in to unmask]> (Humour NOT marked)

Yes, IMHO it is consonant length/gemination which is phonemic and vowel
quantity is determined by that.  The rule is that stressed syllables are
long unless followed by a geminate or consonant cluster. Stressed vowels
followed by a geminate or a C-cluster, and fully unstressed vowels are
always short.  BUT if the first C of a cluster is /r/ or the first C of the
cluster is followed by a morpheme boundary the V may be long anyway,
subject to a good deal of individual variation.  The rules in Norwegian may
vary marginally.

BTW the length of final geminates is clearly visible on spectrographs,
phonemic or not.



/BP 8^)>
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