Yoon Ha Lee wrote: > > On Saturday, August 11, 2001, at 12:45 PM, Dan Seriff wrote: > > > Lïzxvööse (formerly Glïzxfööse) is a consonant root language, with roots > > allowable of one to four consonants. Tri-consonantals are by far the > > most common, followed by di-consonantals. There are no monoconsonantal > > > <very sheepish look> What do the umlauts signify? I haven't been paying > enough attention to this list. Forgot to specify that. It's just fronting or raising, depending on which vowel it is. For example, <i> is [I] where <ï> is [i], and <a> is [A] where <ä> is [a]. Doubled vowels are just length. > > verbs, since these are usually basic nouns/pronouns and grammatical > > particles. Four-consonant verbs (and nouns) are almost always compounds, > > and in the case of verbs, are usually conceptuals (like "understanding", > > etc.). > > What are some compound-forming processes in--err, I'm afraid to attempt > those umlauts. <wry look> Are they regular and "productive" (? I seem > to remember the term from Payne's _Describing Morphosyntax_) or irregular, > or some of both? I haven't decided yet. I've only got one 4-consonantal compound, so I don't have the data to work out a productive or non-productive formation. The one I do have is "understanding", root [k-m-n-w]. It's derived from [m-n-w], "seeing", and the preposition [ke], "in/to/towards". I imagine that many of them will fall into a similar pattern (i.e., preposition + pre-existing root). > > Lïzxfööse only has two primary tenses, present and future. Past tenses > > are marked by circumfixes, and, as a result, are lumped in with aspect > > and mood (to be dealt with in a future post). The passive voice is > > marked with a prefix ('eng) derived from the verb "to be" (root '-n). > > > Question (also possibly pretty ignorant since I haven't been reading > enough posts): how is "past" (as mere Yoon Ha's might understand it) > expressed, or is it conceptualized in an essentially different manner that > does not divide it from present or future? Past tense is expressed more like an aspect than a tense, really. As such, it takes a circumfix, and has no independent form. I'll get to that stuff in a future post when I've got the time. I'll do a post on di-consonantals later this afternoon (Sunday), probably. > > 3-consonant roots: > > > > Present active, example root t-w-zc [t-w-D] - "forcing" > > This root is interesting, because of several pronunciation > > irregularities involving the semi-vocalic nature of /w/, namely: > > /w/ -> [u] / C_#, V_C > > /w/ -> [u:] / C_C > > Lïzxvööse is full of sound shifts like this that drastically affect the > > *pronunciation*, but not the underlying form (or written representation) > > of many words. > > > Neat...I'd be mispronouncing words all over the place, but neat. :-) Don't worry, me too. At least until I figure out all the sound changes. > Query: how did you choose "zc" for [D]? I would have guessed [tS] or > something random from the orthography/transliteration/meep? When I originally designed the orthography, I was trying to keep digraphs to a minimum. It didn't work, but I kept what I had anyways, 'cuz it was cool looking. My choice of letters was fairly systematic. By analogy with the pair <s>-<z>, I've got <c>-<zc> for [T]-[D] and <x>-<zx> for [S]-[Z]. > The sound changes are quite interesting and I would love to hear a spoken > sample. > > > Future active (technically it's a future participle and "to be" copula), > > example root g-d-gg [g-d-g"] - "being excited" (general non-sexual > > excitement): > > This verb is actually a stative crossover, or a formerly stative verb > > (with the meaning "being red"), which has been given an active form, and > > an idiomatic meaning. Lïzxvööse has many such crossovers. > > > Are color-term crossovers common? Most of the stative verbs for color have an active crossover, but they're usually vulgarities, and not appropriate for a family-oriented list such as this one. :-) -- Daniel Seriff [log in to unmask] http://members.tripod.com/microtonal Honesty means never having to say "Please don't flush me down the toilet!" - Bob the Dinosaur Half of America believes homosexuality is wrong...the same percentage believes that Socrates was a great Indian chief.