On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 10:06:19AM +0100, Irina Rempt-Drijfhout wrote: > On Wednesday 07 November 2001 03:31, you wrote: > > > I and you > > He and I > > she and I > > Them and me > > You and them > > > > Anyone know a language, con or true, that has a system like this? > > "true"? Are constructed languages false? :-) > > This phenomenon is called "inclusive and exclusive pronouns" and yes, > there are many languages that have it, though other people than me > will have to give examples. [snip] In Malay, we have two 2nd person plurals, one which includes the listener, and one which includes only the speaker and the people with him: kita - "we", as in, "all of us", including the listener. kami - "we", as in, "me and my folks", excluding the listener. I kinda borrowed and adapted this idea in my conlang: instead of 2nd and 3rd person pronouns, I have the "intimate" and "distant" pronouns, with the "intimate" pronouns covering the speaker and all those he considers "close" to him, or on his side; and the "distant" pronouns referring to the "outsiders", or those whom he doesn't consider to be on his side. (I've posted some examples of this before; I won't bother posting more here unless people are interested :-) T -- Why is the sea always restless? It's bed is too rocky to sleep on.