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> > Date:         Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:27:04 +0100
> > From: Irina Rempt-Drijfhout <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Well, I live in Deventer ['dev@nt@R], Overijssel [ov@R'Ejs@l],
> > Nederland ['ned@rlAnt]. The region is called Salland ['sAlAnt], which
> > caused no end of hilarity and confusion when we celebrated Conlang
> > Day in a region in Denmark called almost the same (Sjaelland, IIRC;
>
> Not ["def@nt@R] and [of@R"Ejs@l]?

Well, the first is possible... the sound I use when I pronounce it is
half-vocied, somewhere between /v/ and /f/. But in "overijssel", I hear a
fully voiced, thoush somewhat short /v/.

Maarten