From: "Almaran Dungeonmaster" <[log in to unmask]> > When I first read the site I quoted, I assumed as much. However, since the > French page did use the "R" to note its rhotic, while no "r" was used, I was > kind of under the impression that phonetic characters were meant instead of > phonemes. Possibly because /R/ is not exactly the symbol for a rhotic, but IIRC for a voiced uvular fricative (IPA inverted small capital R). [That is the French sound, isn't it? It sounds like the one I've heard in the commercials... although it might actually have been voiceless.] *Muke!