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In a message dated 11/2/01 4:30:32 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:

<< I don't know how you are with length distinguintions, but you wouldn't like
to come to Australia. Torn=/tO:n/, tonne=/tQn/ (gone=/gQ:n/, but there
isn't such a thing as *gawn /gO:n/ >>

    "Distinguintions"; what a lovely word.  ~:D  I thought that [O] was just
another way of writing [Q].  I was under the impression that both were
symbols for rounded, open-mid back vowels, just that one was SAMPA and one
was X-SAMPA.  What do these two represent?

-David