> >  >This is cool too. I know I'll have to come up with a lot of words too. I
> >  >know Nyenya'a music is dodecaphonic and quintshifting. Generally you will
> >  >find, in a native Nyenya'a musical piece, 12 triplets, based on the 12
> >  >different notes, each one once, before the 12 triplets are shifted up,
> >  >then back to root, then down, then back to root again.
> >
> >         Like hungarian folk music?  That was the only reference I
> > could find the quint-shifting.  Do you have any good URLs on this.
> >
> Like Hungarian, but also Mari, Tatar, Mansi and other Central Asian (many
> Uralic) cultures. I haven't any URL's but I do have a couple excellent
> books on the subject, but they are in Hungarian. When I find some time, I
> can scan some of the "kotta" (that's the Hungarian word...simple words
> that I can't translate. Kotta means sheet music, or the notation on the
> staves...), in other words the melodies, if you want.

I'm not quite sure if this is what we're discussing, but, an interesting site on Nenets songs is here:

It has some useful information, and relates it to other artic cultures. If you do have the time Frank, I'd love to see these songs transcribed. I'm quite interested in Uralic languages, especially Samoyedic.