Christophe Grandsire wrote: >En réponse à John Cowan <[log in to unmask]>: > >> I believe this is also Mandarin /r/. > >I'd been told that Mandarin /r/ was the best example of a retroflex >approximant: [r\`]? It is not retroflex? Perhaps there is considerable dialectal variance within Mandarin regarding this? I checked two (Swedish) encyclopaedias, one of which consistently renders the Mandarin "r" as [Z], while the other equally consistently renders it as [r] (presumeably indicating a trilled retroflex or alveolar r, but the phonetic transcription used is quite broad). Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.