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Sitting here I realize that when I say those words the
tip of my tongue actually doubles back and touches my
tongue.  Does your post remain unamended?

Clint


--- Christophe Grandsire
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> En réponse à Clint Jackson Baker
> <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > I brought this one up a couple of weeks ago and it
> > somehow got missed.  In my idiolect (thanks to
> whoever
> > used that word in a post yesterday!) I say the
> words
> > Paul, pole, and pull (esp the latter two) with
> what
> > seem to be only two phones.  My tongue indeed
> seems to
> > be in a retroflex position; it's like I've
> assimilated
> > the [l] into the vowel.  Would I be right in
> calling
> > this a retroflex vowel?  How would I represent it
> in
> > SAMPA?
> >
>
> Well, is it comparable to the vowel in "car"? I
> mean, the tongue position when
> you pronounce the vowel. If it is, it's what is
> called rhotic vowels.In IPA,
> they are marked by a strange little appendix on the
> top-right hand corner. They
> are indeed often called "retroflex vowels" (though
> the correct name is rhotic
> vowels), and in X-SAMPA are marked the same way as
> retroflex consonants, with a
> ` sign after the vowel. So we have /a`/, /e`/ and
> /o`/ as we have /t`/
> and /r`/. In fact, I know the retroflex marking of
> consonants in X-SAMPA is
> inspired by the rhotic mark, due to the fact that
> the acoustic phenomenon is
> comparable.
>
> So basically you can call that retroflex vowels or
> rhotic vowels :) .
>
> > Sorry for these seemingly frivolous posts.  It's
> > partly because I've been up bored surfing all
> night
> > and partly because this list is as much a crash
> course
> > in linguistics as anything.
> >
>
> Isn't it? :))) I love this list for that. All
> possible linguistic questions
> (and even often non-linguistic questions) get
> answers here :) .
>
> Christophe.
>
> http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
>
> Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else
> play the leading role.


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