On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Christophe Grandsire wrote: > En réponse à Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>: > > > > > sh is pronounced /S/. Initial unvoiced stops are *not* aspirated. R > > is > > an alveolar trill except when after /a/, when it sounds a bit like the > > French R. (epiglotal trill? Can't remember the name of it right now). > > Why is it that people always want to put the French 'r' twice as far back in > the throat as it really is? Hey people, I'll make it clear once and for all: > the French people don't go past the uvula. Indeed, we don't even have a glottal > fricative /h/ or aspirates! The French 'r' is a voiced uvular fricative (/R/ in > X-SAMPA). It used to be an uvular trill (/R\/ in X-SAMPA), but the last person > I ever heard pronouncing it like that was Edith Piaf and it probably died with > her. *Uvular*. That's the word I wanted.