En réponse à Jeff Jones <[log in to unmask]>: > Thanks, Christophe, I knew I could count on you! There's a little bit > of > discussion below. > You're welcome! :)) > > Consonants: > | stop fricative nasal trill later. aprx. > | VL Vd VL Vd Vd VL Vd Vd Vd > ----------------+--------------------------------------------- > bilabial | p b p\_w m > labiodental | f v > labiodent.+pal. | f_j v_j > apicodental | t d T D n l > apicodent.+lab. | T_w D_w > alveolar | s z (r) > retroflex | r' > palatoalveolar | S Z > palatovelar or > palatal | c J\ C j\ J L j > velar | k g x G N > labiovelar | k_w g_w x_w G_w N_w L\_w w > uvular | R\_0 R\ > glottal | h > labioglottal | h_w > > > Well, the tongue is lowered somewhat in my own pronunciation of /w/, but > it > could be labiovelar, if that's more frequent. > I've checked, and I found out that you can symbolise a purely bilabial voiced approximant as B_o. So if you want it to be purely bilabial, go ahead :)) . Note just that it's quite rare as a sound. > > Are you sure? Isn't the Irish /r/ usually a retroflex trill? > I don't know Irish, so I cannot tell, but the only thing I told was that it wasn't present in IPA. Still, the place is not grayed out in my tables, so it's possible to pronounce. I just cannot find out how to write it down, either in IPA or X-SAMPA. Maybe by using the "raised" diacritic (which would make it r`_r), but that may be abusing the poor diacritic :)) . > > I'd forgotten to include symbols for uvular fricatives, since > non-trilled > versions can occur in dialects. > They are X and R in X-SAMPA (X voiceless, R voiced). > > > Vowels: > | unrounded rounded > | front central back > ----------+--------------------------- > close | i u > close lax | I U > close mid | e o > mid | @ > ???????? | E 6 O This is simply called open mid :)) . > open | a_" > > > I was using relative terminology, since the vowels don't exactly > match. > I had in mind /I/, /U/, /e/, /o/, /E/, /O/ all being slightly lowered > and > relatively tense, but I guess I'll have to change it, if it can't be > notated. > You can use the "lowered" diacritic: _o. But as far as tenseness goes, there seems to be no diacritic for it in IPA... > > My own vowel in "but" is central. > Could also be 3 then (a little higher than 6). If it's rounded, it's 3\. > > Why do I always get the Lon Chaney roles? > Become your own director! :)) (I should add that to my sig., but it would make it less striking :)) ) Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.