From: "Raymond Brown" <[log in to unmask]>

> The phonemic theory does not IMO tell the whole story.  Hypothetical
> languages can easily be constructed to make any theory fall down.  I don't
> reallly understand what sound [t_D] is, it seems odd to have a voiced
> off-glide from a voicless plosive.  To be honest, if I ever came across a
> language with only four consonants, and those in such odd distribution, I
> would suspect I didn't have the whole story and want to know more.

[t_d] means an apicodental stop in X-SAMPA. Don't know why he has capital D

> >Is there are contrast between 'beer is' and *'bee riz'?
> It depends on the dialect - in some there'd be noticeable difference, but
> not in all.

I say [bIr Iz].

> It's Greek /xris"tos a"nesti/  - it's the greeting Greeks give one another
> at Eastertide.  It means "Christ is risen".  The reply is /a"nesti
> "He is truly risen".  The / / enclose phonemic values; the Greek I've
> pronounce /e/ and /o/ are rather lower and closer to [E] and [O].

I think the French (check me here Christophe) say something like "l'amour de
Dieu est folie", meaning "the love of God is folly".