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En réponse ą Jan van Steenbergen <[log in to unmask]>:

>
> And "beim" (< bei dem), "zum" (< zu dem), "zur" (< zu der, the only
> example I
> can remember with the female article).
>

True. I've never been a German enthusiast so unfortunately I forgot most of
what I knew of it...

>
> Yes, "ten" (< te den) and "ter" (< ter der). I wouldn't call that "Old
> Dutch",
> though; it would me more appropriate to call it "Pre-WWII Dutch". In
> 1937 (±
> one year) the dative endings were abolished, and they survived only in
> some
> common expressions.

I know the 'ter' is used optionally instead of 'in de' in expressions like 'de
mooiste ter wereld': "the most beautiful in the world" instead of 'de mooiste
in de wereld'.

> Nowadays those forms are still used, but often improperly, since most
> people
> don't know whether a word is masculine or feminine (indeed, you often
> need a
> dictionary for that; sometimes German can be helpful).
>

I've also seen 'ten' used with the cardinal directions.

>
> Lėtzebuergėsch, if you want to consider it a language, has a lot of
> them, also
> in cases where German doesn't. For example "mam" (< mėt dem).
>

Hehe, it's the kind of things I don't know how to consider :)) . Is it a
language? A dialect? (of what? :)) ) A kind of creole? (though without having
ever had a pidgin form) The Ethnologue puts it under the category Moselle
Franconian (from which it's the only example), a Middle German language, cousin
of Standard German, but as far from it as Dutch.

Christophe.

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