Has the list moped yet? Obviously not as it is still comming from Brown -----Original Message----- From: Nick Simicich [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Tue 01/10/2002 14:00 To: [log in to unmask] Cc: Subject: [SCUBA-L] periodic posting of Scuba-L guidelines and information Periodic posting of Scuba-L guidelines and information of Tue Oct 1 09:00:00 EDT 2002 This is a periodic posting of Scuba-L guidelines and information. If you follow these guidelines you should be able to avoid some common missteps and your life in Scuba-l should be much more pleasant and less riddled by certain local customs. Please save this post for future reference. TO LEAVE THE LIST: >From the SAME email account from which you subscribed to SCUBA-L send the following text: SIGNOFF SCUBA-L To the following address: [log in to unmask] (Note that this may be a different address than the one you signed up at. They moved the list while you weren't looking.) 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Alternatively, another list member may post the single rebuttal, but they take responsibility for the content and for insuring that it is civil in tone and does not contain personal attacks. At that point, further conversation about the suspension should be taken offline. If you feel that the above rules impinge on your freedom of speech, there is an alternative scuba list that does not impose rules of civility on its participants. It is called scuba-se, and can be found through catalist or at this web address: http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=SCUBA-SE&H=RAVEN.UTC.EDU -=-=-=- "When thou enter a city, abide by its customs." -- The Talmud. This quote is taken from a netiquette web site (link below) and applies to all mail lists and newsgroups. It is especially true here. Before Posting to any mailing list or newsgroup it is a good idea to read the list for a few weeks. This will allow you to understand the list culture and have a better understanding of the unwritten rules of conduct. Scuba-l is full of unwritten rules of conduct. Some general guidelines that will serve you well in Scuba-l: --All scuba topics are welcome-- rec., tech, wreck, dive travel, beginner, equipment, etc. --ADVERTISING IS NOT ALLOWED. Posting to Scuba-l for the purpose of promoting a commercial venture is not welcome, even if it is done only a single time. Such a post will result in a reply from some members of the list requesting all members boycott your business forever. It is acceptable to state a business name, contact info, web link, etc. in your .sig. An occasional, non-repetitive ad of personal gear for sale is acceptable but please place "FS" in the subject line. --DO NOT forward jokes, virus warnings, general Internet info, and other non-scuba related items to the list. You are not performing a public service. 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These sites will help you understand better some general netiquette items as well as some LOCAL cultures, as in a new neighborhood or new city. http://www.primenet.com/~vez/neti.html A good general netiquette site. http://scifi.squawk.com/ned.html The NED FAQ. Never ask: What is a NED? http://www.arches.uga.edu/~harold/ned.html Who are all these people? http://www.ivydene1.demon.co.uk/nedfuc.htm What are these FUC's? MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION: --You can search past scuba-l postings on Dejanews by searching in the forum "bit.listserv.scuba-l". http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml However, deja's archives are reported to no longer be current. By sending "index scuba-l" and then "get" commands to [log in to unmask], you can get recent archives. The amount of space allocated to listserv archives is limited. --Before posting a question you might find the rec.scuba FAQ very helpful. http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html TO POST A MESSAGE TO SCUBA-L: Post in plain text and send the text of your post to: [log in to unmask] Enjoy Scuba-l!