On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 06:28:19PM -0500, Keenan wrote:
> I guess this isn't very clear. But does it need to be?

Yes. The various idiolects of English are different enough that comparing
a vowel to an English word gives almost no information about its actual

> Otherwise I'm not touching the claw thread with a barge pole. Not even
> to enlighten everyone with the correct pronunciation, which exists in
> its purest form in Upstate New York......   ;))

That's precisely the problem. Everyone thinks their idiolect of English
has the "correct", "official" (vowel) pronunciation. But none of these
"official" vowels are the same. :-)

> I mean, after all, I've only just got back. I was never that popular
> when I was here and I certainly don't want to piss everyone off by
> starting the English pronunciation virus again!  :))

You don't have to. Just take a couple o' hours to learn basic IPA,
preferably with recordings so that you can tell what the vowels *really*
sound like. And then you can actually talk about vowel pronunciation
without setting off English pronunciation flamewars. (Imagine that!) :-)


This is a tpyo.