Joe wrote: >Not just word final, but syllable final. (ie. Apartment [@pA:?mn=?]). It >often elides(I think that's the right word), too (ie.What's your name? >[wO(?)s yO: nejm). > Would 'your' truely be pronounced like that if you were eliding the /?/? I would've expected something more like [wOsj@ nejm]; I'd say [wOtS@ n&im]. >>>whats the difference between [a] and [A]? I've heard that [a] is the >>>vowel >>>in "father" while [A] is the vowel in "ought", but I think I pronounce >>>these vowels the same way. Is this because "father" and "ought" use >>>the >>>same vowel in some dialects of English but not in others? Or is it >>>just >>>that the difference is very subtle? or what? >>> >>> >>English is the worst example to use when trying to explain sound >>differences, because of the proliferation of different dialects with >>different phonologies. >> Though our consonants are rather similar. /r/ and /t/ and /d/ seem to be the biggest places of difference, along with /j/ at times... >> What is pronounced differently by one won't be by >>another, and the different vowel systems are just uncomparable. The >>difference between [a] and [A] is a difference of backness (and note that I >>was taught that "father" used [A], and "ought" [O:]), i.e. they are >>pronounced exactly the same, except that [a] is articulated at the front of >>the mouth (it sounds "clearer", in some way), while [A] is articulated at >>the back of it (it's created between the back of the tongue and the throat >>for me for instance). >> >> >In RP, father is [fA:D@], and ought is [O:t](when speaking colloquially, >[O:?]) In some dialects of American, they're both [A] and in some dialects >they're [a] and [A:], respectively. Depends where you come from. > I thought if 'father' and 'ought' are different, ought's vowel would be rounded? or maybe I'm thinking of when 'cot' and 'cought' are different... (They're all different to me, [fa:D@], [o:t] and [k_hOt].) >>Note that there is no such thing as a "subtle" difference in phonetics. >>Languages that make a phonemic difference make it whatever the absolute >>difference between the sounds. [a] and [A] used to be separate phonemes in >>French for instance, and people didn't have problems to distinguish them. I >>know I still don't since the loss of that distinction happened during my >>lifetime :)) . >> >> >Well, I have more problems distinguishing [a] and [o]. > Really? Considering there's a vast difference of roundedness, height and frontedness I'm awfully surprised. >[A] and [a] sound different to me... > > I only care about one unrounded open vowel, which I transcribe as either [a] or . They all (i.e. including [A]) sound alike to me. Tristan http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema?