On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 10:28:50AM +1100, Tristan wrote: > t'Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:40:08 -0500 > "H. S. Teoh" <[log in to unmask]> bsaidsiem: > > > - uncles and aunts who are cousins of your parents (as opposed to > > siblings) are called by different terms as well. > > Since when have they counted as aunts and uncles? Aren't they cousins? [snip] OK, bilingual slip-up here. In Chinese terminology, family members are grouped by generation first. "Generation" as in, person X's and person Y's common ancestors are both N generations before them, where N>=1. E.g., your parent's brother's children would be your "cousins" in this reckoning, and so would your grandparents' grandchildren. If person X's and person Y's common ancestors are a different number of generations before (e.g., X's grandparent is Y's parent), then they belong to different generations. So your grandparents' children would be your "uncles & aunts"; they are counted with your parents' generation. Your great-grandparents' grandchildren would be counted in the same category. (Fortunately the counting stops at N=3. Descendents of your great-grandparents' siblings are reckoned as unrelated to you, so there is no special terminology for them. Chinese tradition also permits marriage between relatives where N>=3.) In the same manner, your grandparents' siblings are "grand-uncles" and "grand-aunts" to you; their children are "uncles and aunts"; their grandchildren are "cousins"; and their great-grandchildren are nephews and nieces (albeit distant ones at that). T -- Hardware is like a candle, and software like the flame on the candle. Making many candles actually requires materials and expertise; lighting many flames needs only one initial flame and is easily done by anyone thereafter. Hardware manufacturers will always be around; but there aren't many flame manufacturers around these days.