At 10:19 AM -0800 3/25/03, Garth Wallace wrote:
>Christophe Grandsire wrote:
>>Well, American intervocalic 'd' is commonly pronounced [4], so that's why you
>>were taught it this way. And the usual comment that the Japanese 'r' is
>>between 'r' and 'l' is only due to the fact that Japanese people pronounce [4]
>>in borrowed words with a 'l'. But I am 100% sure that the Japanese 'r' is a
>>simple [4]. And I have 200 episodes of Sailor Moon in original version at home
>>to comfort me in my opinion ;))) .
>My teacher also insisted that it wasn't the same as a Spanish R. And a
>native speaker I know has told me that my pronunciation is very good (in
>general; he wasn't singling out how I pronounce R). Also, some time ago
>I read about the IPA that it has "its own character for the Japanese
>R"...can't remember where though, it's been a long time.
>But I'm not a native speaker either, so I may be totally off base about

The _Handbook of the International Phonetic Association_ shows [r`], a post-alveolar flap, for Japanese <r>. The author, Hideo Okada, then goes on to say that this "mainly occurs medially. Initially and after [N\], it is typically an affricate with short friction [d_-r\_r]. A postalveolar [l_-] is not unusual in all positions. Approximant [r\] may occasionally occur in some environments."

Plain [4] is not mentioned.

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