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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barrow" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Country names


> Joe wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Barrow" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Country names
> >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David Barrow" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:48 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Country names
> > > >
> > > > > Joe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Carlos Thompson" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:32 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Country names
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tristan McLeay wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Robert B Wilson wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>We here say /@stSr\&iL@/ where /L/=[j], [lj] or [li].
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >you say 'istrailyih'? :P
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, everyone else can't say Australia properly, and it has a
> > very
> > > > > > > > obvious pronunciation from its spelling :P
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course: [aws"t4alja].  Obvious, not?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, in my Ideolectical Chibchombian English it would become
> > > > > > > [Os`"t`r`ejlj@], or something like that.  Aussie/Ozzie would
be
> > > > ["OzI].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (not sure if that [t`r`] is actually a slightly palatized
> > retroflex
> > > > trill)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, I am not a native English Speaker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Carlos Th
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In RP it would be about the same as you pronounce it, but
without
> > the
> > > > > > retroflexes.  [Ostrejlij@]
> > > > >
> > > > > [Qstreili@] with au as the o in lost not as the au in cause say
all my
> > > > > dictionaries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David Barrow
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid I can't tell any difference between the two, when short.
> > >
> > > Do you pronounce the vowels in caught and court or cause* and course
the
> > > same? Aside from whether you accent is rhotic or not.
> > >
> > > or the vowels in cot and caught or coss and cause the same?
> > >
> >
> > Note, I said 'when short'  I pronounce 'caught'[kO:t] and cot[cOt], as
far
> > as I can tell.
>
> I see, your cot is [kOt] and not [kQt] (which would be the RP form),
right?
>
> RP has [O:] in caught [Q] in cot ,and [O] as the first element of the
"oi"/ "oy"
>
> diphthong.
>
> David Barrow
>

I can't really tell the difference, when short, as I said... rounding [a] to
make [Q] sounds the same as [O] to me....