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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barrow" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Country names


> Joe wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Barrow" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Country names
> >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Carlos Thompson" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Country names
> > > >
> > > > > Tristan McLeay wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Robert B Wilson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>We here say /@stSr\&iL@/ where /L/=[j], [lj] or [li].
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >you say 'istrailyih'? :P
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > No, everyone else can't say Australia properly, and it has a
very
> > > > > > obvious pronunciation from its spelling :P
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course: [aws"t4alja].  Obvious, not?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, in my Ideolectical Chibchombian English it would become
> > > > > [Os`"t`r`ejlj@], or something like that.  Aussie/Ozzie would be
> > ["OzI].
> > > > >
> > > > > (not sure if that [t`r`] is actually a slightly palatized
retroflex
> > trill)
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, I am not a native English Speaker.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Carlos Th
> > > >
> > > > In RP it would be about the same as you pronounce it, but without
the
> > > > retroflexes.  [Ostrejlij@]
> > >
> > > [Qstreili@] with au as the o in lost not as the au in cause say all my
> > > dictionaries
> > >
> > >
> > > David Barrow
> > >
> >
> > I'm afraid I can't tell any difference between the two, when short.
>
> Do you pronounce the vowels in caught and court or cause* and course the
> same? Aside from whether you accent is rhotic or not.
>
> or the vowels in cot and caught or coss and cause the same?
>

Note, I said 'when short'  I pronounce 'caught'[kO:t] and cot[cOt], as far
as I can tell.