On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 23:14, Andreas Johansson wrote: > Maybe we should do a list of all conlangers who've not have trouble with [T] > and [D]? I can remember myself and/or my older sister being taught [T] and [D]. Probably both of us. By Mum in the van. Before which, I think we would've been saying [f] and [v]. However, I know that memory is screwed because it happened before we got the van, but my memory is of it happening as we were getting into it. So I doubt I had trouble with it; it was just the last pair of sounds to master. I can also remember being taught how to say 'hospital' (rather than hopsital). > Till I learnt to say 'em properly, I used [d] for /D/, and for /T/ [t] and > [f], with quite random distribution - I used to say [fIN] "thing" and > [tINk] "think". [f] and [v] would've been better, I think. At least that way you sound like a native speaker, even if it's native Cockney :) > I also, perhaps more creatively, had trouble with voiced fricatives. I still > tend to devoice English /z/ and /Z/ way too often. I have difficulty with [z] when before voiced stops and tend to devoice it then. Fortunately, that doesn't happen too often in English. -- Tristan.