On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 21:46, Mark J. Reed wrote: > YAEPT continueth: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 04:47:38PM +1000, Tristan wrote: > > Well, I say [klo:]. > > So for you, "claw" rhymes with "show", "hoe", and/or "so"? No, 'show', 'hoe' and 'so' are all diphthongs starting from something fronter than [o], backer than [&] and not [@], and ending on something high, rounded and not front. I'm not sure about the exact details of the rest. It varies based on position in word (before an /l/ it's always [Ou]) and social conditions, I think. Speakers of Broad Australian make it something more like [Au] or [6u], even approaching [au] (unless it's before an /l/), but it's normally higher than that for me :) 'How' and suchlike are protected from homophony by virtue of being [&u] OTOH, 'claw' does rhyme with 'more' and 'door' (and 'your'/'you're' and 'sure', but not 'pure' or 'sewer'). And my 'caught' sounds pretty similar to a (e.g.) Scottish 'coat'. (Note: [&]=ash) -- Tristan.