On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:33:10 -0400, Tristan McLeay <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, John Cowan wrote: > >> "Feral" refers to a wild animal (whether shy or not) whose ancestors >> were domesticated: pigeons in the U.S. are all feral, even though many >> of them have become acclimatized (which I think is the word wanted). > >I thought it referred to wild introduced species; in Australia, you can >talk of feral plants (unlike weeds, these can be trees). We also have >feral camels in the Northern Territory :) The typical pigeon most people think of (Columba livia, confusingly called the "rock dove" in bird guides) was introduced, but there are native band-tailed pigeons (Columba fasciata) in the southwest and Pacific coast. It does seem like it would be a useful thing to distinguish between (on the one hand) species introduced accidentally or intentionally, (and on the other hand) wild or domestic introduced species. And a word specifically for introduced species that got out of control and turned into pests/weeds (whether introduced deliberately or accidentally). At least that would be a good start; the Zireen cultures generally tend to be closer to nature than 21st century urbanized human cultures, so they'll need a lot more of these, but I don't even know much about the animals and plants on their world to begin with.