Paul Roser wrote: >On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 13:42:05 -0500, Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >>On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 01:15:03PM -0500, Paul Roser wrote: >> >> >>> -l/r/s + t- > LL (voiceless laminodental lateral fricative) >>> >>> >>What's the difference between [L] and [K]? Or are you not using >>X-SAMPA here? >> >> >> > >Sorry, I was being lazy & not using X-SAMPA. iirc in X-SAMPA it should be >-l/r/s + t- > KK >-l/r/s + d- > K\K\ > >the little I've been able to glean is that these are possibly palatalized >laminodental lateral fricatives which are homorganic with the stops /t, d/. >Sardinian, like many of the Southern Italian dialects, also has geminate >apical (post?)alveolar voiced stop & nasal for Latin geminate /ll, nn/ > > > I would guess that in Welsh they come from a voiceless(and preaspirated) approximant, but I'm probably wrong.