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Hello,

> > > Rather make that ["ok3\]...
> >
> >Ah.
>
> That is, avoid it as a radiotic hypercorrection!

Sure!

> > > _Att, av, och_ all used to be /o/,
> >
> >_att_ and _och_ as [o] are surely something I've heard not once.
>
> That's the source for the change from _iak gangar at läggia mik_
> to _jag går och lägger mig_, thus affecting the deep structure of the
> language!  It has surely been around for a long time.

Yeah, I was wondering about the too (I mean, how the two are
distinguished if both are [o]). By the way, how long ago is that?
Couldn't the Tolkienseque _try and say_ have similar origins, from the
Norse-y English dialects?

> Definitely [ve(:)] and [bre"ve(:)] for me, but then my
> dialect consistently changes Old short /i/ to /e/.

Stressed on the second syllable? Wow.

> >But _sa_ and _la_ are kosher even in "proper" Swedish, aren't they?
>
> Yes, but _kasta', prata', hitta'_ etc. etc. used to
> be universal as well.  It is probably a good idea to
> adopt that in your informal speech if you want to
> sound native.

Well, experience shows that I pick up native-like 'incorrect' usage
quite quickly, and it tends to slip into careful speech back home
sometimes. So if ever I come to Sweden, I guess I'll follow the advice,
even if without remembering it :) I fancy that if I use these things at
lessons, it'll be overkill. OTOH, the [x] in _stjärna_ that you (pl.)
recommended is passing off very well :)

> No, I mean to really have a feminine gender even for inanimate
> nouns like _sol_.  Speakers of these dialects also usualy have
> a distinct indefinite article _e_ [e(:)], and definite forms
> like _sola_.  Värmland is the stereotypical stronghold, but it
> holds true for a lot of other dialects too.  Traditionally most
> Göta dialects were three-gender.

So it is another recasting of the maxim about Swedo-Norwegian being
split up vertically on the map but horizontally languagewise?

I wonder. We haven't a had a YAEPT in a long time (knock wood!), but
Swedish pronunciation is constantly popping up. No French, no Dutch, no
anything. Of course this only proves that Swedish is by rights the
list's official language! :)

Pavel
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