In a message dated 2004:03:15 07:39:49 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:

>Steg Belsky wrote:
>> >>  "'intzalbeih!' is still stuck in my head"
>> Naaaa, that was a quote from my friend who saw the Passion movie.  He
>> said "intzalbeih!" was how they said "crucify him!" in the movie's
>> version of Aramaic.....
>Hey I recognize that--- Indonesian has salib ~tsalib 'cross' (almost always
>in a Christian context). Similarly, the comparable passage in Bach's
>St.Matthew Passion sticks in _my_ head--- "Lass Ihn gekreutzigte!"  (And
>yes, Bach's text is every bit as anti-Semitic, if you choose to read it
>that way, which I don't. I had been under the impression that the important
>thing was _why_ Christ died, not the whodunit bit.)

    BTW composer Tan Dun (_Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon_, _Ghost Opera_, On
Taoism_, etc.) has done his own _hommage_ of Bach's Passion.
    I am willing to bet the emphasis in Tan Dun's version is on a humanistic*
(or even neo-Confucianist) _why_ and not so much on the specifics of _who-

    * prob'ly something along the lines of "we human beings suffer and sin
cuz we are out of balance with _every thing_ around us and that we are
complacent about who and what exists around us" and we tend to ignore, shun and even
kill the messengers of such profound ideas and ideals

><opinion> Personally I think Bach's  is probably the more interesting
>version of the Passion.  I have to say, I haven't seen Mr. Gibson's latest
>addition to his oeuvre, and probably won't.  From the Mad Max series,
>through the Lethal Weapon series, and now to this, one gleans the impression
>he has a thing about horrific attacks upon one's person and/or loved ones,
>torture, S&M et al.  And there seems to be an avid audience for the
>depiction of such things; it's too bad the Big Screen can't show the

    <also opinion>
    ROTFLMAO, Gibson's kink is the pornography of violence IMHO much like the
late Johnny "Wadd" Holmes' life & death was an exercise in excess, wallowing
in the violence of pornography and drugs. Both Holmes and Gibson are
Americanized "products" or at least the products of immature cultures with Wild
Frontier mythos and "_youth_ subcultures"...

::sings medley of "Hormones De-Ranged" to the tune "Home on the Range"
"Slamdancin' Matilda" to the tune of "Waltzing Matilda"::

    Well I recall Gibson's looong lovin'ly filmed torture and death scene in
_Braveheart_ being waaaay too "ego-messianic" for me to take (besides all the
liberties he took with historical facts *grrrowlsssnarrrllssppputtterrr!*
which is something that seriously offends the history-obsessed Chinese in me: he
should get it right, it's his possible ancestral heritage for bloody sakes!).

    After Gibson's Passion started being hyped BigTime, I thought back to the
torture and death scene in _Braveheart_ and his other movies and figured
Gibson is a bit twisted towards the sado-masochistic Penitent spectrum of
Catholicism (any further Paleo-Conservative and he'd be one of those legendary
Christianized Viking Pagan Beserkirs. "Scratch the Christian and find the Pagan
underneath...").  Also I find it odd that Gibson was/is a carpenter (grant you a
skilled, union-level carpenter)... Its made me wonder if he's a self-mutilator
like me and needs some serious psychotherapy and psych meds like I do, hehe...

    Good thing I am just a Lil Trickstergod Incarnate happiest left in the
shadows and not some BigTime-Hollywood-Messiah-Wanna-Be grabbin' limelights and
millions and millions ::WiCKeD TooTHY GRiN:: </opinion>

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