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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:17:50 -0500, Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>James Worlton wrote:
>
>> For those of you with more phoetic knowledge than I:
>>
>> (In CSX) What is the difference (if any) between
>>
>> t_j and c
>> d_j and J\
>
>Palatal stops ( [c] and [J\] ) are pronounced with the middle of the
>tongue touching the roof of the mouth, while palatalized stops (like
>[t_j] or [k_j]) just place the tongue near the roof of the mouth without
>touching. I don't know if there are any languages that contrast [t_j]
>and [k_j] with [c], or [d_j] and [g_j] with [J\], but palatalized stops
>like [t_j] and [d_j] are found in Russian, while the sounds of Hungarian
>"ty" and "gy" are said to be palatal stops. Irish has a contrast between
>palatalized [t_j] [d_j] and velarized [t_G] [d_G].

Would you (or anyone else) happen to know how to notate palatovelar stops
-- where the tongue covers from the velar position to the palatal one?
How about front-velar where the occlusion point is in between velar and
palatal?

Jeff

>Sound samples of the Russian words /vi\t_j/ and /v_jit_j/:
>
>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/cou
rse/chapter9/russian/r13.aiff
>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/cou
rse/chapter9/russian/r14.aiff
>
>And the Hungarian words /cu:k/ and /J\uit/:
>
>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/vow
els/chapter13/tyuk.aiff
>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/vow
els/chapter13/gyujt.aiff
>
>(These links are from the UCLA Phonetics Lab Archive,
>http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/)