Danny Wier wrote: > We had a native > Korean speaker on the list years ago, and I can't remember her name Yoon Ha Lee. > but she > said something about these being pronounced with glottal tension but not > ejectivity, and that these consonants may also be voiced. These consonants > do correspond to Middle Chinese voiced aspirates, by the way. *Voiced* aspirates? I didn't realize Chinese ever had those kinds of sounds. Garth Wallace wrote: > How so? In loanwords? Presumably. Both Korean and Japanese have a considerable Chinese-derived vocabulary, which often shows some interesting sound changes, like Japanese ryou, Korean yang. Other than /j/, the sound changes have caused no shared phones between the two. :-) The original form was something like *ryang, Korean has a /r/ -> 0/#_(i,j) change, and Japanese had /N/ -> /u/ (or sometimes /i/), and later /au/ -> /o:/.