On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 04:06:16AM +0200, Remi Villatel wrote: > > Sally Caves wrote: > > > Only in some conlangs? :) elry krespr, "past-I write"? (I wrote) Unless I > > still misunderstand you here. When the VERB is marked morphologically, you > > say? or when TENSE is marked morphologically? Most Teonaht verbs have next > > to no tense/aspect/person/number morphology. Only moveable affixes. They > > are marked, however, for volitionality. > > This example "past-I write" stroke my eyes. My conlang Shaquelingua also > uses a clause-level marker which can be used on nouns with an adjectivale > value. (In Shaquelingua, verbs aren't marked for anything, they don't > exist.) The marker is a modal+tense compound, with a very large set of modal > values. > > ve ke-kebis bj? to'kja. [ve: ke:kebis bjO to:.kja] > > the (imperative past)-work (descriptor) (indicative future) > > = I will do the work that was demanded. > > (The "descriptor" means that "work" is a physical object/action undergoing > manipulation/execution.) > > ---------- > > tu'?aki seje lasjo-kebis t?l'r? fil?jhge. > [tu:Caki seje 4a.sjo:kebis t94(9)r?: fi4Ej.ge] > > (indicative distant future)'we own (negative potential future)-work > (descriptor)'(undefined plural) robot. > > = We'll give to robots the work we won't be able (to do). > > (The "descriptor" means that "work" is an immaterial object/action that is > effectively transmitted.) > > (And  is the japanese r/l, an alveolar flap.) > > ---------- > > Sometimes this modal+tense compound actually behaves like an english modal > verb. Maybe it was so in an ancient form of Shaquelingua? I don't know, I > haven't studied much of its history. > > do'rja ; kili ; jo'kja. [do:.xja] [ki4i] [jo:.kja] > > (conditional future)'thou ; also ; (implicative future)'I > > = If you (will) then I (will) too. > > ---------- > > di?reo'rja ; jisjeo'rja. [di.Cxe^o:.xja] [ji.sje^o:.xja] > > (conditional volutive atemporal)'thou ; > (implicative potential atemporal)'thou. > > = If you want, (then) you can. > > ---------- > > lako'kaja deo-govil? ! [4ako:kaja: de^o:govil9] > > (negative imperative future)'my (conditional atemporal)-friend. > > = Don't (do it) if you're my friend! > > If you wonder why I use the imperative future, that's because whenever you > order something to someone, it's always for an action in the future, at > least after the end of your sentence. A progressive tense much closer to our > present exists in Shaquelingua but you won't use it unless you're already > pushing your (wannabe) friend aside or removing the hands of a child from > hir plate. > > laki'rja ! [4aki:.xja] > > (negative imperative progressive retrospective)'thou. > > = Stop it! > > ---------- > > ji ka?t?lu soe, [ji: ka.CtO4u so^e] (one soon until) > > -- > ================== > Remi Villatel > [log in to unmask] > ================== Well, it sounds strange, and I also think these structures only exist in conlangs.