Sally Caves wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" <[log in to unmask]> > > > >>>On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 17:29, Joe wrote: >>> >>> >>Yeah, but I was emphasising conciseness. I've found that a simple >>sentence - verb, subject, and object, can't really be expressed with >>less than three syllables. >> >> > >"We're friends!" "Got milk?" "Tell Pat." "Love ya!" >:) >Sal's back. > >Depends on how you imply subject or conjoin it in English. "Jeet?" (Did >you eat?) Or in your conlang. > > > > Well, I meant two full nominal arguments. But on second thoughts, two syllables is possible, through the following clever means. First, have roughly four characteristics for a sound. Take your nouns(which are CVC) and take two characteristics from each, according to rules. ------------------ For instance, having the following characteristics: 1.Place of Articulation 2-4.Various manners of articulation So, lets say category one contains the following: Palatal, Alveolar, Dental, Interdental, Labiodental, Labial, Linguolabial. And category two the following: Nasal, Stop, Fricative(normal), Fricative(lateral), Category three contains clicks, ejectives, implosives, normal pulmonics, and pulmonic ingressives. And finally, category 4 voiceless aspirated, voiced aspirated, voiceless unaspirated, voiced unaspirated Allocating rules - the letter of the combined word must combine 1 and 3 from the first column, 2 and 4 from the second. ---------------------------------- This means that each letter must be absolutely unique within its categories. There can only be one dental ejective, and only one voiceless aspirated stop. Okay, so the initial phonology looks like this: Stops: p, ch, d^, ^_dh! X-SAMPA: [p], [c_h], [d_d](interdental), [|\_v_h](not interdental) Nasals: n0_m!, n0h, ñ', m_f< X-SAMPA [O\_N_n_0], [n_0_h], [J_>], [m_f_<](labiodental implosive nasal) Fricatives: zh<, v, ^_s, Bh_l X-SAMPA [z_h_<], [v], [s_d], [B_h_N] Not a large phonology, but nonetheless a complicated one. So, lets take some normal examples. How does 'p' combine with 'ch'. Well, we take categories 1 and 3 from the first(it's a bilabial pulmonic), and 2 and 4 for the second(it's a an aspirated voiceless stop) - in other words, it creates 'ph'. So, ignoring the vowels for the second, two words zh<V1Bh_l and ^_dh!V2ñ', it would create dh<V3m_l. I think it's quite a cool scheme.