On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:05:57 +0200, Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The rest of what you're saying, I do not really understand - do you mean that
> German has merged /Y/ and /2/? As in, _möchte_ and _Früchte_ rhymes?

"möchte" has /9/, not /2/ - perhaps "mögen" and "Mücken" is a closer
pair to exemplify /2/ vs. /Y/ in the standard language.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:38:51 +0200, Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> But it isn't /'loi.te/ that becomes /lIt/ rather the form which
> [loe.t@] *developed from* became [lIt], which is a different thing.
> I cant give any references off the top of my head, but I'm almost
> certain that the Middle High German preform of /oi/ was /2H/.
> It is not at all hard to imagine that this monophthongized to
> something [Y]-ish which then unrounded.

The cognate is "Lüüd" in (at least some variants of) Plattdeutsch,
FWIW, with /y/.

Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>