Roger Mills wrote: > Right. The gold lines seem to be necessary to show the ziggurat shape; > otherwise it looks like an early Egyptian step-pyramid-- a not dissimilar > structure, of course, but the wrong story and associations. I'm still extremely wary of such thin lines. What do the designs with lines look like when you scale them down to an eighth or a sixteenth of their original size? I have with me a copy of The Times Atlas of the World (compact edition) in which every national flag and quite a few flags of territories are presented about eight millimetres wide and four millimetres high, and still the distinguishing features are quite distinct. From the POV of what flags are for (to be viewed from a distance) I think the lines are quite inappropriate. Out of the line-less designs, I favour Jeffrey's silhouette because of its irregularity, which is actually a nice touch, IMO. I also find favour with the bluer shades of purple (particularly the shade I suggested), which have a refreshing feel about them, but not in conjunction with deeper tones for the sun that Leland prefers. Leland Paul wrote: > I've taken Jeffrey's ziggurat-shaped version and translated it into > these two color schemes... I realize that the difference from his > version to the first is very very slight, but it was slightly off: Yes, it is very slight. And I think it would be silly to put both Jeffrey's <solarbabelflag1.png> and your <solartower_mauve.png> to the vote, because they are *too* similar. There's no sense in placing too much of a burden on people when it comes time for them to order their preferences. So if Jeffrey finds your shade of purple no less favourable than his own, then I think it best to remove his version (we went through a process of finding compromise shades with some of the earlier designs - I'd be pleased if the same could be done here). I haven't added your <solartower_violet.png> because IMO the orange sun is too much of a stretch from heraldic yellow, and I don't think there's a good excuse for deviating from the heraldic rules in this design. Currently, my first preference would go to my colour variation on Takatunu's pearl of tongue (a succinct and elegant design), my second preference to David's design with hill, and my third to David's design without hill. I won't reveal the remainder of my preferences as they stand, but the Tower of Babel designs are somewhere in the middle. Adrian.