On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 15:48:38 -0400, Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'd also expect |j| to represent a voiced sound ([J\j\], maybe). Chinese stops and affricates differ in aspiration, not voicing; AFAIK, they're all unvoiced. Hence the Wade-Giles ch, ch' for Pinyin zh, ch (as well as j, q) - and similar uses of "unvoiced" characters e.g. k, k' for Pinyin g /k/, k /k_h/. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:38:38 -0400, Mark Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > But who in the heck designed Pinyin? I'm told the use of |q| may be influenced by Albanian, where it's /c/ IIRC (close enough to /tS)/ or, indeed, /ts\/, that foreigners often confuse it with |ç| /tS)/). Something about how Albania, being a communist country at the time, was one of the few "European" countries with whom China had relations, so their version of the Latin alphabet may have influenced PY. Cheers, -- Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]> Watch the Reply-To!